Redefining the Running Industry for Women of Color with Vanessa Peralta-Mitchell Ep. 178

Vanessa Peralta-Mitchell, the dynamic force behind VCPM Inc and the Game Changers program, shares an invigorating journey that began with a simple promise to herself—taking the plunge into running after being inspired by a powerful documentary. Vanessa’s story is one of resilience, highlighting the transformative power of keeping promises. Despite having no formal track experience, she embraced running later in life, illustrating how a 10K race became a powerful teacher in preparation and perseverance. Her tale is not just about personal triumph but also about empowering women to break barriers and live without limits.

Takeaways

• Vanessa Peralta-Mitchell empowers women to live a life without limits through running
• VCPM Inc. and the Game Changers program aim to redefine the running industry and provide more representation for women of color
• Game Changers helps women of color become certified run coaches and offers resources and support for them to thrive
• Upcoming initiatives include the distribution of running shoes to those in need and the Powered program, which partners with road races to provide inclusive training and support

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Chapters

• 0:10 Running Goals and Business Creation
• 8:49 Empowerment Through Entrepreneurial and Coaching Journeys
• 18:21 Empowering Women Through Coaching Programs
• 27:21 Empowering Women Through Running Programs

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:10

Welcome to Ella Go. My name is Lisa. Join me on the journey in having real raw and uncomfortable discussions about fitness, health and everything in between, because, let's be honest, this journey would suck if we don't get our shit together. Welcome back to the Elegoo podcast. My name is Lisa, I am your host and today we have Vanessa, vanessa, welcome. Yes, thank you, it's really, really good to be here. Yes, Vanessa and I spoke probably two years ago and we're finally talking and doing this podcast. So, vanessa, why don't you introduce yourself to the audience?

Speaker 1: 1:02

Yes, absolutely. Hi everyone. Hi, lisa. My name is Vanessa Peralta Mitchell. I'm owner of VCPM Inc and I'm the creator of the Game Changers program. I know we'll talk about both, but to give you an idea of what my business is, my business is dedicated to using the power of the pavement, like I like to say, and what we do is we empower women to live a life without limits. And if anyone is curious, what VCPM Inc stands for? That's the initials of my full name.

Speaker 2: 1:32

Nice, nice, Okay. So let's. We are going to talk about all of that, but let's take a couple steps back. And, Vanessa, when did you start running? Like were you always a runner? How did this all come about?

Speaker 1: 1:44

Yeah, I wasn't always a runner per se, what we might think in terms of like the industry you know definition but I was a runner, meaning like I was a kid that loved to like play sports. Although I will say really quick, I kind of did have to advocate for myself, a little bit with my own parents because I wanted to play soccer so bad, a little bit with my own parents because I wanted to play soccer so bad, and my parents, you know, they're from Ecuador and they had this like stereotypical thought of, like you know, girls playing sports and then they thought I would get like big calves or something like that and it was like a big no, no, it was crazy, right, the thought process. But you know, I did eventually get to play sports, so I played soccer, I played basketball later in high school and I played softball, so I was running. There's always, like you know, a competition or a ball involved or some type of you know team. And when we think about like what running? In terms of like the running industry that came so much later in life, I didn't have any examples in my life in terms of track teams, so my high school didn't have a track team. My college didn't have a track team, and so it was really watching a documentary that totally changed my perspective, not just about running, but really gave me an appreciation for what women had to fight for in order to be a part of sports, in order to participate, in order to find some level of equality and that equal ground, just to be a part of sports.

Speaker 1: 3:19

And running was one of those sports covered. And that documentary literally moved me, and that was the day that I said to myself that I was going to run a marathon. And now, mind you, the only running I had ever done at that point was probably, like you know, a little bit, in college, with soccer and the sports that I played in high school. But I was really, really, really moved by these women's stories that I saw. And again, it wasn't just running, that wasn't the only sport covered, but it was the one that was somewhat realistic for me to do at. I was like in my mid twenties, you know, I was like, okay, I can do that, and I had no clue I was going to do that. But there's something to be said about keeping your promise that you make to yourself, most importantly, and it took me so many years, lisa, but I did it, and that was my introduction to running.

Speaker 2: 4:18

Oh, my God, you went from couch to marathon.

Speaker 1: 4:21

Oh no, no, there was. There's definitely races in between, okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, my first race actually was a 10k and I was very green to the sport, I didn't know that there was a 5k. I signed up for the first race I saw and, seriously, and I didn't even properly train for that first race. You know, I, I looking, I it's kind of funny because that could have been both my debut in running and my departure in running, because I totally under-trained, I um hurt both my knees.

Speaker 1: 4:59

I basically like I don't, I don't even know if you can call it, it wasn't a walk, it wasn't a run, it was like a shuffle Two step across the finish line. You know, no pictures taken, you know, I don't think even back then this particular race had a medal. So I told my husband and I then I know my oldest was a couple of months old, I mean, that's the only people I told in the world because I wasn't like this great feeling of accomplishment. It was like, oh my goodness, I just did that. I survived that.

Speaker 1: 5:34

But again, this was the road to fulfilling a bigger goal and I didn't think about it this way back then. But it was just a milestone or a milepost along the way. So our failures and our accomplishments, they're both important. And the bigger picture was that I'm going to run a marathon and I just wanted to fulfill that goal, even though I hadn't really told anybody at that point. Body at that point, but seriously, without the training or coaching or anything like that, I showed up to that race day so naive to what I thought running was and to my you know, to my disbelief at the time. I didn't think it was that hard. You know what I mean. I thought like you, just run, but something about discovering that new form of challenge in my life. It really made me want to work hard to figure out like, how can I overcome this challenge? And then along the way, I figured out that that challenge was actually changing me in the best way possible.

Speaker 2: 6:36

Wow, yeah, so you do the marathon. And then how did the company, your initial company, come in? How did that come about?

Speaker 1: 6:47

Yeah, oh yeah. So that's so tricky, um, so they're so separate, like doing the marathon, um, um. So Philadelphia was my first marathon, so shout out to the Philadelphia Marathon. Doing that marathon was like completely separate from me starting my business. There's, like you know, probably a decade or so in between and it's a really good thought. I have to go back and look at what the actual dates are in terms of that timeframe.

Speaker 1: 7:15

But doing the marathon felt like I had did the thing. You know, I had accomplished this goal I had set up for myself while, like, it was on my refrigerator during, like, my last years in college. It was something I told my then fiance, now husband. You know, it's something that I was telling, starting to tell people. So when I crossed that finish line, it would kind of felt like we crossed that finish line. You know what I mean. Like I was telling, starting to tell people.

Speaker 1: 7:42

So when I crossed that finish line, it would kind of felt like we crossed that finish line. You know what I mean. Like I was the first one in my group of friends and family and community. So it was like, all of a sudden, like people knew about running in a different way, because they're close with me and so crossing that finish line it somewhat turned me into like an expert in the space. To those who I knew and that hinted at what could I do with that right? So kind of a bit fast forward. When I did actually find out that you could be a certified run coach, it felt a little bit inaccessible to me because of the costs you had to travel and I didn't really know what I wanted to do with it.

Speaker 1: 8:23

It just felt like I had a sense of responsibility to uphold within my community because they were looking at me that way and it's like, well, let me get the knowledge and the certification and all the resources I can get to show up that way. So that was very separate than my company. My company actually came into play because, ironically so, both my parents right, my father owns both came here from Ecuador. My father was the one that owned his own business. My whole life he owned his own business and it's totally different industries like real estate and international trading, and he founded the Ecuadorian American Foundation. So his entrepreneurial journey is like that's who you should probably have on here one day. And then my mother came to this country with her own set of aspirations and goals and a lot of that was to further her education and what she wanted to do for her career. And she really put all that on hold when my father and her wanted to, like you know, he had children and they had their own children. And so my mother essentially chose motherhood right and being a wife and being a partner in his business in the sense of being that backbone of like, that stabilization of like how to carry on a business. So it was years, years later I was almost 40 years old.

Speaker 1: 9:47

I would say my mom had this what I like to call a moment of realization. And all of us obviously had grown up and moved out. You know, we have kids some of our, some of my siblings' kids have kids, you know and my mom had this moment where she looked back and it wasn't a moment of regret, you know, it was a moment of like this is how I feel right now and it was that she had came here all those years ago and never actually fulfilled any of those dreams or those goals or those aspirations she had for herself. And you know, it was a really personal moment for my mom because she was very vulnerable to me. I'm the youngest daughter and I never really I've seen my mom cry before, but this was different. This was a moment where she wasn't holding back things that I might interpret. You know what I mean, because it included other family members and stuff like that. And I, of course, have since asked my mom, like, is it okay if I share, like as this much as at least? And um, so she's understands and is on board with it.

Speaker 1: 11:00

But I just trying to have other people understand, like this moment, you know, in this teary eyed conversation, my mom is releasing, right, this feeling that she's been caring for who knows how many years. You know I'm the youngest daughter, so there's other siblings older than me, so who knows how long she was carrying on to this, not even realizing, understanding the breadth of what it meant throughout the span of her lifetime. And in that moment of realization, she's being the most open with me and to see and witness the strongest person you know in your life 40 years of the same person being so strong in so many situations, being so soft and like, just you know, transparent. It really hits you inside, like in your stomach, in your heart, and you, like, never let go of that moment. And essentially what she was doing was in her sharing this with me. It felt as if she was pouring those things into me, Not saying that I needed to fulfill her goals and her dreams, but the bigger message that I don't have to wait to fulfill mine right, that I can do what I want to do right now and I don't have to wait to do that.

Speaker 1: 12:19

So there was a combination of like how it was with my business form. I think, if I look back, that was a pivotal moment because it gave me that, I guess, unwritten permission and support from one of the most important people in my life. So how could I not take that form of empowerment and do something with it? So, and at the same time, like Game Changers, was already like it wasn't born or wasn't formed in any sense. But I started to notice things in the industry and I started to realize that, like hey, we need more women of color, like in these positions, that they're being seen as leaders. They're being seen as leaders, they're being seen as experts, but the person in front of the room or the person that's given this information, they all look the same. They're all the same gender and the same race. So this had in my company form. It was really an intersection of like recognizing the need for change in the industry and then, through my mom, being empowered to do something about it yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:21

So did Game Changers come first before VPM, or which one came first?

Speaker 1: 13:27

Yeah, so my company, vcpm. It came, it's hard to say, to be honest with you, I would say I would have to backtrack. It almost seemed like it was kind of sort of in one of the same, because I had attended my certification and I was one of two people of color, at least visibly Right, and that kind of always stuck with me because, you know, I felt already intimidated and already a bit in over my head, and when you don't see others that look like you, you can. That's like another layer of feeling, you know, like not belonging. You know, and no one treated me that way. I don't want to, you know, put a picture out there, like you know it was our RCA certification.

Speaker 1: 14:19

I'm really happy that I was. I had the opportunity to do that and no one made me feel any type of way. But when you have a lived experience and certain places and spaces that you're in, and when people who are you know giving you this green light of you know yes, you belong here when those people all look the same and that they don't look like you, then it starts to feed this like story to you. And that's what I noticed in that certification. It was just a little seed of like hey, like why aren't there more people of color?

Speaker 1: 14:51

here, why aren't there more women of color color here? Why aren't there more women of color? So that eventually grew into like other thoughts. As I did become a certified run coach and did do jobs and projects and work for different companies Once again I started to notice the same thing. Like the people I'm working for, the people who are in charge, the people who are leading the way, are mostly the same gender, the same race of white males and it really made me curious as to why are we the ones in those positions, in those roles? Why aren't we leading the way? And so Game Changers. It's funny because my company like officially began in August of 2020.

Speaker 1: 15:35

Officially began in August of 2020. I went through LegalZoom and I got my BCPM Inc Incorporated and then two months later about two months later, we had brought in our first 16 women of color to become game changers. So there's really just a fine line of what came first. It's like one of those track finishes right, it's like by the 10th of a second. So I think kind of happened simultaneously, simultaneously in that way. But I didn't form Game Changers as a program. That that came later on because of the women who were a part of it.

Speaker 2: 16:11

To be honest with you, Okay, so I get the sense that your VCPM company is more of like the manager, the managing of Game Changers, in a sense, and am I right on that?

Speaker 1: 16:26

Yeah, so think of like VCPM Inc as like the, I say parent company, although Game Changers is not its own business, but it's a program, right, so that program falls under my company.

Speaker 2: 16:37

Got it. Okay, so let's talk about Game Changers, because we're having this conversation and people are like what are they talking about? Okay, game Changers and you talked a lot about the things that you know, again, nobody's treating us bad in the running industry, no one's hating on us, but it does give a sense of belonging or not belonging and not feeling like fitting in, especially for, I would say, people of color that live in areas that are predominantly Caucasian and you grew up in that type of atmosphere and environment and never feeling like you belong. And now you have this love of a sport and now you're like oh, here we go again. I still don't belong here. And it's not saying and it's so hard to explain this, vanessa, unless you, who are listening, have experienced it and it's not always about color, it could be about size, it could be about gender, just not feeling like you belong, and belonging is literally one of the needs. As a human being, we want to feel like we belong. So, game Changers is having these women that are running coaches right?

Speaker 1: 18:02

Yeah, yeah, game Changers we provide resources and funds so more women of color can become certified run coaches. Our bigger mission there is redefining who people see as those experts and those leaders mission there is redefining who people see as those experts and those leaders, and it's, you know. One thing I always like to point out is, yes, we're utilizing coaching, but really it's a way of utilizing a vehicle to create impact. So coaching is the driving force behind Game Changers, but it's really impacting communities and ultimately, the industry, you know, but it's really impacting communities and ultimately the industry.

Speaker 1: 18:39

You know the why behind Game Changers and it ties back to my mom once again. But the why behind why Game Changers even exists is because, you know, being that bridge for my mother. You know, spanish is her first language and so I would be that bridge for her to communicate with people. And so my older brothers and sisters are a lot older and I have one younger brother. He's a lot younger. So there was a time where things kind of fell on my shoulders, whether we went to the post office or the bank or department stores, and I would talk on my mom's behalf. She would give me this little nudge and she'd be like you know, you talk, you talk. And I would talk on my mom's behalf. She would give me this little nudge and she'd be like you know, you talk, you talk, I would talk for her.

Speaker 1: 19:20

At times I didn't realize that my mom was being treated differently, that we were being treated differently, not until many years later, not until I started to be more in college and doing the work that I do now, more like in college and then creating and doing the work that I do now. But you know, seeing and remembering my mom advocating for herself, that was really my first example of seeing something like that and being, you know, I don't know. It was probably like 10 years old give or take. I didn't understand that, so it really made me a bit embarrassed about that fact. That we were different certainly wasn't celebrated back then and I didn't know or even probably understand things like discrimination or racism or bias or anything like that, you know.

Speaker 1: 20:05

So I felt small, um, in those circumstances because, you know, I felt as if my mom was in the wrong, you know, like, because she was, would get so upset at the people talking to her and I didn't see that, you know, I didn't see that they were talking to her some type of way.

Speaker 1: 20:24

So I kind of like, no, like, don't like, no, no, no, like, don't do that, like I can see her boiling up like no, no, no, like someone's voice isn't being heard.

Speaker 1: 20:43

You know, I can connect those dots now that I was a voice for my mom and, honestly, through running, I discovered my own voice, because I wasn't always, you know, very um, you know talking and like being the one in the room to say something, like I would get so beat, red and so timid and stuff like that, but understanding, like being a voice for her, finding my own voice through running, and now I get to amplify the voices of others Because to me it reminds me of my mom. You know, I don't want us to not be heard, I don't want us to wait our turn to be heard, and it's about time that we change who that voice is in front of the room and on the microphones, and in the books and all the things you know. And that's the real core behind Game Changers, you know, is to make sure that we're amplifying the voices unheard, just like my mom's.

Speaker 2: 21:33

I feel that, I feel that I feel that how many coaches do you have?

Speaker 1: 21:39

Yeah, right now we have 108 coaches, yeah, in 27 states and Washington DC. And what's really beautiful is we. You know the goal in the very, very beginning, when I was like you know, getting funds and stuff like that was, you know I wanted to do five coaches. I thought five coaches would be a great way to create impact and to show that there's another, different type of leader. You know what I mean to look to, and I read a book that really changed that perspective and that book essentially talked about having a global conversation with people and my mind couldn't grasp that someone would have a goal to have a global conversation. Like what is that? Who thinks like that? You know what I mean, and it really was a reflection of um, I'm capable of more. Like I meaning, like whoever's listening, you, lisa, like each one of us, are so much more capable of doing and achieving the thing that's already in our head, in our heart, as an idea.

Speaker 1: 22:48

And to realize that like hey, you know I wanted to reach this goal of five people.

Speaker 1: 22:55

So you know what, scratch that. You know we're not going to just stop at five women, we're going to redefine the whole industry and show that there is a new leader, there's a new type of expert to book to that can lead the way and that can be that go to expert that people see and building Game Changers. Because at first it was like this small idea from this girl from Jersey that just wanted to, like, make a difference and it's like, yes, I am that and I will always be that, like that's who I am and what a beautiful foundation I get to build upon. You know, because there's so much more out there for the game changers, for our coaches, for the communities that are reaching for the industry to see and experience, to know how we see things as women of color, as experts, and you know there's so much more out there for us all. So, to go from one of the small goal, it really was so much bigger than me and it is now so much bigger than me and it's it's beautiful to witness it.

Speaker 2: 24:08

Oh, that's awesome, that's great. So you have all these coaches, all these game changers in different states. So how could somebody first of all let's say someone wants to reach out to a coach, a game changer how do they go about doing that?

Speaker 1: 24:25

Yeah, well, I mean. So Game Changers is designed first of all, you know, to get women of color certified. So I do want to put out there that there's this sense of getting women the opportunity to be certified through RRCA. And then they have a business coach that they have to understand well, what is it that you want to do with your certification? And then the last component of the program is a six month structured mentorship, and what's really nice is that mentor is also a woman of color. So there's this, and they have accountability partners to support them along the way. So there's this, and they have accountability partners to support them along the way.

Speaker 1: 25:02

So if someone was looking for a coach, I mean they could definitely go to my website, wwwvcpmcom, or even email me at vanessa at vcpmcom. But the way that the Game Changers program is set up is really to get women acclimated to being in this space, right. Gainer doesn't set up so much to like, have some type of like what's it called Connection, right To like match people, but we still provide that. So if that's someone that someone is looking for, I definitely encourage them to reach out to us.

Speaker 1: 25:36

We also, I will say, have the female Coach Lead L-E-A-D and that stands for Leveraging, educating, amplifying Diversity. And so that's an IG series that we do every month on the 16th. We do it on the 16th in honor of our first 16 Game Changers and it's just to showcase and highlight one woman of color coach each month and we hone it on her specialty, and that specialty can either fall under coach, athlete community or business. And that's another resource I would say for people if you are looking for a particular coach, because you can find out right away what their expertise is and if it matches yours, then you can reach out directly to them. But yes, we're always open.

Speaker 1: 26:18

If someone is interested in looking for a particular coach, you can again reach out through the form or me directly at Vanessa at bcpmcom, and of course, the best way is always to reach out to the coach directly. But if you're having trouble finding one, then yeah, please reach out.

Speaker 2: 26:33

Okay. So, vanessa, you kind of like blew my mind a little bit here, because, basically, creating an opportunity to have your own like program your own, you're building entrepreneurs, you're building Right. I mean, it sounds like you got them with a business Girl. Where were you in 2018? I mean, this is where I need it, but you're giving them those opportunities. It's not like, ok, we're going to give you that opportunity to be a running coach, but then we're going to have let's talk about it, what are you going to do with that? How much? I mean, the sky is the limit, like you're basically saying the sky's the limit, what, what do you want to do?

Speaker 1: 27:15

Yeah, exactly, and that's the bigger message with my company, VCPM Inc. Is to live a life without limits. And so with Game Changers, the nice thing is, yes, we do get some people that want to start a business or a side hustle, but we also get people that just want the information and the knowledge, and we also get people that just want to expand the platform that they're already on.

Speaker 1: 27:33

So that business coach is crucial because we want women to stay in the industry. Right, we're not going to change anything if people just are given an opportunity and then we say good luck, you know, we want, you know, women of color to thrive in this space and then they can use coaching as their vehicle, whichever way they see that. You know, some coaches are, you know, starting their own businesses and are applying it to the run crews that they're a part of or leading. Some are taking it back to their reservations and providing it for clinic in terms of their health and wellness. You know some are using it to expand their platform and providing expertise in magazines and podcasts.

Speaker 1: 28:11

And it's so amazing when you don't live under definitions and you don't live in boxes that other people have created and you know, using coaching as our driving force.

Speaker 1: 28:21

There's so many examples how we're doing that, beyond just getting people to their starting lines and beyond getting them to that race day goal and those medals, which is so important.

Speaker 1: 28:31

But there is a way that we have seen what running can do and for us to apply that and give those to our athletes or to our community members or to, you know, the youth that follow us into the sport.

Speaker 1: 28:44

That message is so much bigger and you know we collect our own data. I will say too, so you know, one of the first things we noticed was there's not a lot of data on women of color coaches, like post-collegiate. So we said, you know what, we're going to collect it ourselves. And so since 2020, we've been collecting our own data, so we know things like 89.5% of our coaches find confidence in themselves through the program, and then 68% of them find that confidence in other areas of their life. So how powerful is that right that we can utilize coaching and running and being in this space where you can take up, you know and proclaim your presence and find that confidence. It's like you know what this is, how I'm going to show up everywhere that I am, and it's just an amazing that you know we're finding that people are finding that through the Game Changers program.

Speaker 2: 29:30

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely yeah. The way you see running, the way you're building yourself up, you know, with your body is all connected. It's that mind body connection and just how you see life in general. So, my God, vanessa, amazing, so amazing. Okay, so what is coming up for Game Changers? Anything coming up.

Speaker 1: 29:51

Yes, absolutely. Well, I will say, before I say what's coming up, something I thought would be really cool to mention too, that we'll have coming up again this year. So this past fall and again this upcoming fall, we'll do this distribution. So our presenting sponsor is Brooks Running and this is our third year now that they'll be our presenting sponsor, and one of the nice things that we're able to do is give back to our community. So this past fall we were able to distribute to those in need in our communities Brooks Running Shoes and that went to 526 people across the country. So through like 22 coaches, I believe it was. I forgot how many states, maybe 13 or 14 different states, I want to say but we were able to provide that access to movement. You know whether that's walking or running or side shuffling, like I did across my first finish line, but you know, it's been really wonderful to see the coaches not only being poured into but they're paying it forward and that's one of the ways that we do that annually since partnering with Brooke. So we do, and that's one of the ways that we do that annually since partnering with Brooke. So we do have that coming up in the fall, which I'm really excited about and I'm also really excited about there's a new program that we have. It's called Powered and that's spelled P-W-R-H-E-R-D. Make sure there's the her in there, right, because you're being powered by her and so what that is is our way to partner with road races.

Speaker 1: 31:24

So we're partnering with road races that want to provide inclusivity, meaning, you know, it's not enough to provide an event and say, hey, runners or walkers show up on race day and get your medal. You know, in order for road races to really be inclusive, it's like how are you treating people before they get to that starting line? Like, how are you ensuring that they're properly, um, supported, trained and equipped to show up on race day? So road races have a really great opportunity to invest and be inclusive of how they treat people before they get to that start line. And and that's where Power comes into play. So we're an online training program and we are powered by our game-changing Women of Color certified run coaches, and it's really nice. You know we have the whole program is we partner with the road race. People can register for us during the registration process, but they get the training plan, whether that's beginner, intermediate or advanced, and it's specific to each race, so we don't use the same training plan. You know um a training platform, so we do use final search, so that's the way they have access to their training and they can sync it however they want to sync it and provide virtual run clinics that are specific to that road race so it resonates with their audience. And then, for those that you know go to the training, they'll get a bonus medal, which is really fun. So that day when they cross the finish line, they'll get two medals, um, which is really exciting and, you know, a nice added touch to it. But overall it's been, um, I mean, a little bit over the moon to know that.

Speaker 1: 32:55

You know, this all leads back.

Speaker 1: 32:57

If I, if I rewind each chapter of this story, it's just crazy to go from sitting in my couch in New Jersey because I grew up in Jersey sitting in my couch in New Jersey, with my mom being not too far from me, watching a documentary that really catapulted and changed the trajectory of my life, to now us not only helping women of color take up space as certified running coaches, but also now we get to help the runners and the walkers and the people that want to make health and wellness a bigger part of their life, and we get to do that, we get to provide that and it's a blessing on blessing.

Speaker 1: 33:31

So Powered is wwwpwrherdcom and we're excited. We have our first client, our first partner, already. It's the Philadelphia distance run, which happens to September 15th, is a half and a 5k and we'll be providing training for both and you can go to that website and click on partners and people can find out how to register and join us, because it does not close. You know people might need support and help with their training at any moment in their journey to their starting line, so we're providing that access at any point. We're not closing that. So, yeah, those are some exciting things in the wings. I'm sure there's so much more, but those are the two that pop up in my head first.

Speaker 2: 34:17

That's some good stuff, vanessa, really good things. So if you all want to reach out to Vanessa and check out all the programs that she's been talking about, all of this will be on the show notes. I'm not going to ask her to say those where you can find her, because she said it multiple times, but you could definitely go in the show notes, click on there and that's how you'll get ahold of her. Vanessa, my God, I'm so proud of you. I'm really proud of what you're doing for women, women of color Really good things that I'm sure there's going to be just more explosion in a positive way. So thank you so much for finally getting a chance to talk to you today and you're doing the do and I'm so proud of you.

Speaker 1: 35:07

Thank you so much. I appreciate it and I appreciate your consistency and reaching back so we can make this happen. So thank you.

Speaker 2: 35:13

You're welcome and until next time. Everyone, Bye.

Speaker 1: 35:18

Bye.